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Shiavault - a Vault of Shia Islamic Books Al Kafi (part 3) Chapter 20 : Chapter About Al-'arsh and Al-kursi H 335, Ch. 20, H 1 A number of our people have narrated from Ahamad ibn Muhammad al-Barqi, in a marfu' manner, who has said the following. "Jathaliq, a christian scholar, asked Imam Ali (a.s.) saying, 'Tell me about Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High.

Does He carry the 'Arsh or 'Arsh carries Him?" Imam Ali (a.s.) replied, "Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, is the One Who carries and has lifted the 'Arsh, the heavens and earth and all that is between them from banishment. 'Allah (God) prevents the heavens and the earth from falling apart. If they do fall apart, then, no one besides Him can restore them. He is All-forbearing and All-forgiving.

(35:41)' He then asked, "Tell me about His words, 'The angels will be around the heavens and on that day eight of them will carry the Throne of your Lord above all the creatures (69:17).' "How has He said it. You just said that He carries the heavens, earth and all that is between them." Asked the man. Amirul Mu'minin then said, "Allah, the Most High, created al-'Arsh (the Throne) from four lights.

From a red wherefrom the redness became red, a green light from which the greenness became green, a yellow light whereby the yellowness became yellow. He created it from a white light wherefrom is white and it is knowledge which Allah has made the carriers to carry and that is the light of His greatness. With His greatness and His light He has given sight to the hearts of believers. Because of His greatness and light the ignorant ones have become His enemies.

Through His greatness and light all those in heavens and on earth, all His creatures seek to reach Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, by means of their various deeds and mixed religions. All that is carried Allah carries them with the light of His greatness and power. They are not able to do any benefit, or harm, death or life or resurrection. All things are carried. Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, preserves them from banishment and has control over both of them (heavens and earth).

He is the life of all things, the light of all things. Glorious is He, the Most High, far above what they say about Him. He is far high above them with Greatness." He then said tell me about Allah, the Most Holy, the Most High, where is He? Amirul Mu'minin said, "He is here. He is there, above, below, encompassing us and with us as He has said.